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Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by Ungurean - 2010/06/02 10:55
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Salutare tuturor

Ma gandii io asa, si imi zisai de ce nu fac io un tutorial cu desene si imagini despre cum sa ne instalam singuri antena
satelit pe Digi sau Dolce (Focus/UPC, Akta/Max sau Boom).

Noah, ce spuneti? ar merita un astfel de topic inceput?

Astept pareri

all the best
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by Londoner22 - 2010/06/02 11:15
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GO for it! - asteptam tutorialele si imaginile sa inteleaga tot romanul :)
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by mikygpu - 2010/06/02 11:21
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Tot io sunt (adicalea MG Ungurean) numai cu alt user....

Dar voi continua de aci...

tutorialul e deja inceput si doar il voi posta si aici.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by Londoner22 - 2010/06/02 11:24
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OK Alias
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by mikygpu - 2010/06/02 11:28
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SA VEDETI VOI CE INJURATURI O SA-MI IAU PENTRU TREABA ASTA :)) (DE LA CEILALTI INSTALATORI DE
ANTENE)

Si acu sa incep cu inceputul.

1. Cunostintele

Nu o sa intru in detalii tehnice despre ce e microunda, cum se transmite, de ce trece prin plastic dar nu trece prin frunze
si copaci, ce o afecteaza ata in oscilatie cat si in lungime (de unda, evident), de ce e afectata de Mobile Link si
intersectiile acestora si de campurile magnetice. Toate acestea le gasiti pe Wikipedia, tot ce tre sa faceti e sa cautati.
Ceva tehnic tot va voi oferi aici, asa ca sa va plictisesc.

; offset (ovala) sau circulara. Antena are doar rol de reflector. Capteaza microundele transmise de la satelit si le
concentreaza prin reflexie intr-un punct central denumit focar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_dish).

b. LNBf sau LNCf = Low Noise Block cu feedhorn sau Low Noise Convertor cu feedhorn = Bloc Convertor (sau simplu
Convertor) de Nivel Scazut cu horn de incarcare.

Acest dispozitiv are rol de convertor al microundei in grup de frecvente intermediare (IF), totul facandu-se pe principiul
super-heterodinei. Nu intru in detalii despre cum sunt facute, cum functioneaza, samd. Voi prezenta doar cateva
chestiuni f importante:

- LNB-ul ce ne intereseaza pe noi este de tip universal, care poate fi cu o iesire sau cu mai multe (2 iesiri = Twin, 4 iesiri
= Quad, 8 iesiri = Octo). Desi aparent apare a fi ca un spliter, in realitate nu este pentru ca fiecare ieshire e conectata la
un bloc electronic de conversie care primeste semnal direct din feedhorn. De aceea lnb-eele cu iesiri multiple pot
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functiona chiar daca o iesire s-a ars.

- blocurile de frecvente convertite sunt 4, iar banda de lucru e 9.75GHz la 12.75GHz. La iesire, frecventele IF se
incadreaza intre 950MHz si 2150 MHz, transportabil printr-un cablu coaxial. Cele 4 blocuri de frecvente sunt: 9.75GHz la
10.6GHz denumita si banda joasa (LOW) si 10.75GHz la 12.75GHz denumita si banda inalta (HIGH) plus 2 polarizari pe
fiecare dintre ele, Vertical si Horizontal. Comutarea intre acestea se face printr-un comutator de 22KHz (pentru
schimbarea din banda joasa in inalta si invers) si prin tensiune (14V pentru Vertical si 17-18V pentru Horizontal). Astfel,
intr-o relativa mica latime de banda pot fi incadrate foarte multe programe TV.

- Transponderul (TP) este un termen definitoriu pentru transmisia satelit pentru ca ne ajuta sa identificam programul TV.
Daca vreti, e ca un numar de inmatriculare al unei masini, presupunanad ca toate masinile ar arata la fel. Un TP are 3
parti importante, celelalte fiind 'cautabile' intr-o marja destul de restransa: Frecventa, FEC-ul si Simbol Rate-ul (SR).
Frecventa este o valoare in GHz si este data de transmitator (pentru DigiTV, frecventa de baza este 12607Mhz sau
12.607GHz). FEC-ul este o valoare intre 1/2 pana la 7/8 si este rata de multiplexare in interiorul TP, astfel incat sa
'incapa' mai multe programe TV pe o singura largime de banda al unui TP. SR este numarul de inversari de simboluri pe
lumginea de unda, cel mai adesea masurata pe baunds pe secunda sau simboluri pe secunda.

Astfel, un transponder poate fi definit astfel:

F: 12607MHz

FEC: 3/4

SR: 27500

Pentru DigiTV vom folosi acest TP, pentru ca e definitoriu si pentru cautarea intregii retea (Network Search ON).

Pentru alti transmitatori voi da TP la momentul cand ma voi referi la ei (Dolce, Akta, etc).

Tot pentru considerente teoretice ma voi referi tot aci si la orientarea in spatiu la propriu si la figurat.

Pamantul e divizat in 2 axe, cu rezultat ca orice punct de pe pamant are 2 valori de coordonare:

Latitudine si Longitudine.

Nu stiu cat mai stiti voi de la geografie despre aceste 2 valori, dar ma voi referi mai pe intelesul tuturor la ele, si cum sunt
ele construite. Privind globul pamantesc din afara, avem o axa delimitatorie Ecuatorul, delimitand N si S, si una verticala,
Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) sau meridianul 0, definind E si W. In UK, ne aflam la 0W ( si nu 0E), si la 51.5N. Astea au
prea putina importanta daca nu va instalati o antena cu motor, ceea ce nu va recomand sa incercati ca este aproape de
imposibil (asta daca nu ai cativa ani de experienta in instalarea antenelor cu motor).

Singura importanta a acestor valori este ca sa stim unde ne situam fata de satelit, sau altfel spus, unde 'bate' satelitul.

Satelitii TV sunt sateliti geo-stationali, cu orbita undeva la 30000 de picioare altitudine (approx 10000m sau 10km)
deasupra ecuatorului, fiecare fiind 'legat' de pozitia sa (evident au motorase cu combustibil pt 10 ani sa stea 'agatzati'
acolo). Astfel se stie unde se afla fiecare satelit si fiecare are un nume si coordonata E sau W, (fiind deasupra
Ecuatorului nu au cum sa aibe si coordonata N sau S).

Pe site-urile www.lyngsat.com si www.kingofsat.net aveti toate informatiile necesare pentru stabilirea satelitilor si
transmisiilor fiecaruia.

Voi prezenta aci principalii transmitatori din Romania si UK si satelitii unde transmit:

DigiTV - satelit Intelsat 10-02 la 1W

Akta - satelit Sirius 3,4 la 4.8E

Dolce - satelit HelasSat 2,3,4,5 (doar 3 si 5 vizibili pe teritoriul UK) la 39E

Focus/UPC - satelit Thor 3,4,5 la 0.8W

Boom - satelit Amos 2 la 4.0W

SkyUK - satelit Astra 2abcdef la 28.2E

FreesatUK - la fel ca si skyuk

Un lucru foarte important la acesti sateliti este deasemeni si acoperirea sau footprintul dat fiecarui transponder. Astfel un
TP cu acoperire in Ro nu e musai sa aibe acoperire in UK sau oriunde altundeva. Ma voi referi aci in special la TP cu
acoperire pe UK, si numai la cerere ma voi referi si la cei din alte zone ale Europei.

Deasemeni este important sa stim si azimutul satelitului (sau nivelul de inaltare a lui deasupra orizontului). Pentru UK
Londra, nivelul este 23 grade fata de orizontala. Evidenta ca aceasta valoare e pur teoretica intrucat va trebuie un
sextant sa o determinati cu exactitate. Si sincer, prea mare importanta nu are la momentul de fata, pentru ca ne vom
referi la momentul alinierii antenei, si cum facem sa corectam rapid erorile.

Ca idee trebuie sa tineti seama de urmatorul fapt: cu cat valoarea de pozitie E sau W a satelitului se apropie de 0, cu
atat satelitul e 'mai sus' pe cer, astfel ca Thor/Intelsat 10-02 de la 1W/0.8W sunt cei mai inalti sateliti, si spre E si W
coboara pana cand Intelsat907 la 65E este practic la nivelul orizontului. Alfel spus, dac am fi la Ecuator si am folosi
antene circulare, Thor ar fi perfect vertical, iar Intelsat907 la 65E ar fi perfect orizontal.

Din punctul nostru de vedere (i.e. localizare in UK) trebuie sa tinem cont si de 'inclinarea' LNB-ului, pentru ca o antena
offset are puterea maxima pe axa longitudinala, de unde rezulta ca pe masura ce ne ducem spre satelitii din E, LNB-ul
trebuie 'rasucit' catre dreapta daca privim antena din spate.

ORICE REFERIRE VOI FACE CU PRIVIRE LA INTOARCEREA ANTENEI, RIDICARE, COBORARE, ETC, VOI FACE
CU PRIVIREA ANTENEI DIN SPATE.

Intotdeauna un instalator se va referi la antena cu privire din spate pentru ca nu ai cum sa aliniezi antena din fata (blocaj
de semnal, imposibilitatea de a ajunge la suruburi, samd).
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by mikygpu - 2010/06/02 11:34
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Sa trecem acum la partea practica, si voi incepe cu materialele si uneltele.

Ca orice roman, cred ca fiecare dintre noi si-a 'procurat' unelte pentru 'acasa' (adicalea pentru romania) iar daca nu a
facut-o, poate o va face. Toate uneltele la care ma foi referi aci sunt oarecum universal utilizabile, si daca nu vreti sa le
cumparati, atunci imprumutati-le de la un prieten din constructii (sunt sigur ca toti avem asa ceva).

Materialele de lucru sunt putine si simple:

1. Antena parabolica de 80-85-90 cm (scrie pe ea sau vanzatorul va va da exact ce ii cereti - nu va recomand un
make/model, dar am vazut antene si de 29.99 la argos de 80cm).

2. LNBf universal, cu o iesire (single) - Single output universal LNB - 9.99 (tot la argos)

3. Un brachet in forma de L sau orice alt bracket care sa va permita sa montati antena pe perete, si sa aveti si
posibilitatea sa o rotiti stanga-dreapta pentru ajustarea orientarii catre satelit (folositi google pentru a gasi un shop de
sateliti in apropiere de unde locuiti). http://multimediasystems.co.uk/acatalog/Satellite_Wall_Brackets.html

4. bolts and nylons (4 sau mai multe, in caz ca aveti ocazia sa le stricati) pentru fixarea braketului pe perete.

5. O bormashina SDS Plus care poate fi la 240V sau cu baterie, depinde de ce posibilitati aveti. Asta poate fi si
imprumutata de la un prieten, daca nu vreti sa o cumparati pentru o eventuala folosire si in romania (desi nu recomand,
se mai practica si 'imprumutul' fara permisiune de pe site-urile de constructii sau chiar din vanurile celor ca mine). Gasiti
si la 40 de lire pe ebay, important e sa functioneze.

6. Un burghiu de 10mm, scurt, pentru ca cel mai adesea bolturile sunt pe rawlplug-uri de 10mm diametru, si pe cap
hexagon de 13mm, si un burghiu lung (600mm sau mai mare, oricum e bun si in Ro) tot de 10mm, pentru a trece cablul
coaxial prin perete.

7. 2 chei fixe, una de 10mm si una de 13mm (dar verificati antena inainte de a va procura cheile, sau folositi o cheie
ajustabila)

8. Un SATfinder de 15-30 lire, cu cat mai ieftin, cu atat mai bine, pentru ca toate fac acelasi lucru: masoara nivelul de
caldura sau 'GAIN-ul' antenei in LNB. Se poate folosi si un Voltmetru cu ac (analog) sau chiar si un multimetru digital de
5 lire, conectat pe cablu. Dar pentru ca astfel de dispozitive exista, nu voi da detalii cu voltmetrul.

9. O busola, preferabil gradata, dar si una simpla merge.

10. F Connectori. astia sunt niste conectori mici care conecteaza cablul coaxial la o iesire F (adica e infiletare). Nu stiu
de ce li se spune F Connectori, si din astia aveti nevoie de 2, unul pentru partea dinspre LNB si altul pentru receptor.
http://www.satcure.com/tech/fconn.htm

11. Cablu coaxial. Din acesta aveti nevoie de atat cat sa va ajunga de la antena la receptor. La cumpararea lui va rog sa
tineti cont de lungimi de 'bend', adica nu luati dinstanta directa (cea mai scurta) ci masurati distanta cu tot cu coturi,
intrari, intoarceri, samd. Vor fi poze mai ales a unei instalari facute de un 'profesionist' de asta de duzina, vizibila din
gradina mea, si care e un bun exemplu despre cum sa nu rulati cablul. Cablul coaxial e f important pentru durabilitatea
instalarii datorita nivelului de 'stress in rezistenta materialului' la care e supus acesta. Daca ati vedea pe un osciloscop la
ce circula prin bietul cablu coaxial, ati privi cu alti ochi acel inofensiv cablu.

12. Nivela cu bula (stabila, level). Nu e obligatoriu, dar ne ajuta foarte mult pentru a compensa eventualele erori de
verticalitate, care ne poate afecta inclinarea LNB-ului ( ma refer mai ales la Dolce).

In general, in piete si in CarBootSale gasiti astfel de vanzatori care au chiar toate acestea.

Ca idee, exista la ScrewFix un kit de antena de 60cm, si fiind la cineva in afara Londrei la un gratar, am facut instalarea
numai cu kit-ul respectiv, fara macar sa am o busola. Antena a fost orientata pe DigiTV la 1W. Stiind ca in UK la amiaza
soarele bate direct pe 0(zero)S, si considerand antenele de sky (alea mici ovale orizontal, negre si din plasa ca fiind
orientate pe 28.2E), am putut sa fac instalarea.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by Londoner22 - 2010/06/02 11:36
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Bun - nu ma pricep la acest capitol foarte bine, in consecinta nu stiu daca ai scris ce trebuie sau nu. Dar suntem deschisi
altor completari ;)

Te rog hotaraste-te pe un singur username. Nu ai nevoie de 2.

Merci.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by mikygpu - 2010/06/02 11:41
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Coane Londoner22, ma hotaraii io, dar uitai care e. de aia voi scrie de pe mikygpu si o sa-l rog pe Inno sa-l stearga pe
celalalt :)
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by Londoner22 - 2010/06/02 11:44
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;)
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by cr1st1na - 2010/06/02 12:48
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Super tare! :laugh: Daca pana si eu, ca femeie neavand habar de burghie si cabluri ce sa mai zic blocuri de frecventa,
am priceput..parca-i extras din 'Satellite Communication for Dummies' :lol: Cand o sa termini cu tutorialul ma apuc de
instalat. zau!
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by eXtremer - 2010/06/02 16:05
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..use search on youtube for other tutorials.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by mikygpu - 2010/06/03 22:33
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Coane extreamer....

problema cu tutorialul ala e ca e ..... din america, si tipul foloseste un real sat finder, care e in pretul de vre-o 300 de lire.

tutorialul meu incearca sa explice in limba romana, cu scule universal utilizabile si pentru cei din UK cum sa-si instaleze
antena.

f multe tutoriale arata totul ca simplu si usor, insa...

dar vom vedea si parerile altora
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by mikygpu - 2010/06/04 15:15
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Poate ar trebui sa incep acum cu 'Industrial Revolution' a lui Jean Michel Jarre..... adica cu niste lovituri de ciocan pe
nicovala.

Dar pentru ca Marius nu a fost disponibil sa vina sa facem poze, si sa bem tzuica (dupa instalare), am decis sa revin
doar cu un mic post despre receptoare satelit.

Inainte insa de a purcede la explicatii detaliate despre receptoare, trebuie sa facem cativa pasi pentru conectarea
receptorului la tv. Si incepem cu despachetarea receptorului si inventarierea cablurilor si mufelor.

La receptor avem cablu alimentare cu 2 pini, numit intre tehnicieni si 'figura de 8' (pentru ca si arata ca un '8' daca-l privin
intr-un anumit fel). Unele receptoare DIGI vin cu cablul de alimentare la 220V direct conectat in aparat.

In spatele receptorului avem, in genere:

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O mufa SCART ( http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=scart&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi )

O mufa RS232 (numita si COM, pe care se poate face software update, se pot incarca 'coduri' si multe altele)

O mufa UHF care e iesirea modulatorului, numita si RF, adesea situata sub o alta mufa numita TV ANT IN. Aceasta mufa
ne da iesire ANALOGICA UHF pe canalul 36 la boxele DIGI, canalul 40 la boxele Technomate si pe canalul 68 la boxele
SKY-UK.

Trebuie sa precizez aci o diferenta. Norma de sunet difera de la o tzara la alta, astfel incat Europa are PAL-BG/DK, iar
UK are PAL-I. Boxele DIGI din romania NU VOR MERGE PE CONEXIUNE UHF FARA O CONVERSIE DIN PAL-BG IN
PAL-I, CONVERSIE CE SE POATE FACE FIE CU UN VIDEO RECORDER, FIE CU UN MODULATOR.

Ma refer la asta aci pentru ca mi-a fost dat sa intalnesc foarte des situatia aceasta, si vreau sa intelegeti ca sunt sisteme
diferite si deci incompatibile.

Noi vom incerca sa conectam TV cu receptorul satelit pe mufa scart, sau daca nu, macar pe mufele composite, care sunt
ca si scart, video digital, dar cu coduri de culori, iar conexiunile sunt RCA: galben pentru VIDEO OUT, rosu pentru
AUDIO MONO/Right si alb pentru AUDIO Left. Uneori acestea sunt inversate, si nu e chestiune decat de testare pana le
gasim functionalitatea corecta.

NU CONECTATI NICIODATA VIDEO LA AUDIO SAU INVERS, PENTRU CA PUTETI ARDE IESIREA/INTRAREA!!!!

Presupunanad ca am facut totul ok pana aci, si am conectat receptorul la TV, si avem imagine (sunet nu avem de unde
sa avem deocamdata), trecem la pasul urmator.

Receptorul satelit

Nu voi intra in detalii cum anume functioneaza un astfel de receptor, ci doar voi oferi cateva informatii despre ce sunt, si
cum le facem sa functioneze cu o antena satelit.

Sper ca va amintiti ca vorbeam anterior despre TP (transponderi). Ei bine, avem valoarea transponderului, insa.... ce
facem cu aceste valori?

Orice receptor satelit are un meniu (pana si boxa de sky are un meniu) de SETUP. Ma voi referi la receptoare cu
preponderenta cu meniul in limba engleza. Deci, cautam in carte, sau pe telecomanda receptorului butonul MENU
(MENIU la receptoarele Digi din romania). Apasand acel buton 'magic' avem un meniu pe ecran. Si de aici, lucrurile se
vor schimba.

Ma voi referi la fiecare receptor in parte, si voi incepe cu Technomate, voi continua cu Digi si la urma ma voi referi la
Dolce si alte receptoare.

Voi crea posturi diferite pentru fiecare receptor in parte.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by eXtremer - 2010/06/05 15:18
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mikygpu wrote:

Coane extreamer....

problema cu tutorialul ala e ca e ..... din america, si tipul foloseste un real sat finder, care e in pretul de vre-o 300 de lire.

tutorialul meu incearca sa explice in limba romana, cu scule universal utilizabile si pentru cei din UK cum sa-si instaleze
antena.

f multe tutoriale arata totul ca simplu si usor, insa...

dar vom vedea si parerile altora

N-ai nevoie de "real sat finder" sau cum se mai numeste, pur si simplu misti antena pina cind gasesti semnalul, foarte
simplu, eu sunt de parerea ca mai bine vezi odata decit sa citesti de 10 ori, asta nu inseamna ca nu apreciez ceia ce
faci, felicitari pentru tuturial, keep up the good work ;)
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by mikygpu - 2010/06/06 10:18
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Coane eXtreamer,

aici te contrazic, pentru ca semnalul digital nu e 'aquired' de receptor cu aceeasi viteza ca cel analogic.

poti sa incerci si singur sa vezi.... daca merge

oricum va fi si un video, pe care sper sa-l pot face impreuna cu un prieten.

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un 'sat finder' sau o modalitate de a 'citi' semnalul sau gain-ul antenei tot ai nevoie, pentru ca te misti pe 2 coordonate:
orizontal si vertical.

asa ca poti sa 'treci' foarte usor pe langa semnal

cu respect.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by Lion King - 2010/06/09 16:13
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mikygpu wrote:

daca merge

oricum va fi si un video, pe care sper sa-l pot face impreuna cu un prieten.

Vezi AICI un echipament cu care sa te imbraci cand faci filmul ala :laugh:
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by bosho13 - 2010/06/26 09:05
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am si eu o intrebare: ceva coordonate pt. dolce stie careva, si cum putem sa ghidam antena pe aceste coordonate in
afara de clasica metoda sus -jos , stg.-dr., ma gandesc ca trebuie un aparat din acela ( nu stiu cum se numeste), am
vazut la cei de la dolce cand mi-au montat-o acasa in Romania, a si mai e ceva , pe ce directie ca in Romania era SUDEST
daca nu ma insel.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by mikygpu - 2010/06/27 21:40
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Salutare

Tinand cont ca ne aflam la meridianul 0...

Coordonatele sunt 39 grade EST, elevatie 19 grade, SKEW 39.

Problema cu Dolce e ca e foarte dificil de aliniat fie si cu un meter de semnal (ex. Horizon, SatLook Micro, Lacuna DSM,
samd), chiar si cu Promaxul meu. Problema apare din faptul ca adiacent acestui satelit (Hellas 3) mai sunt 2 sateliti, unul
la dreapta si unul la stanga: Turksat 42EST si Eutelsat W4 36EST. Se poate alinia si cu metode 'domestice' insa timpul
va fi foarte mare. O sa incerc sa detaliez metoda si pentru Dolce, insa nu va avea o atat de mare acoperire sau grad de
explicare cum va fi pentru Digi. Motivul e simplu, nu vreau sa fiu injurat pentru ca nu vor reusi oamenii sa alinieze antena
pe Dolce.

mai multe detalii despre sateliti gasesti pe www.lyngsat.com sau www.kingofsat.net

cu respect
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by bosho13 - 2010/07/04 09:44
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multumec pt. informatii, gata am inteles cu Dolce nu mai fac nimic e destul de greu pt. unul care nu prea se pricepe, dar
spuneti-mi va rog coordonatele pt. DIGI sper ca pt. asta e mai simplu, trebuie sa vina sotia din Romania si vreau sa pun
o antena de acasa, oricum ar fii va multumesc.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by mikygpu - 2010/07/07 22:33
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Salutare

Pentru Digi, coordonatele sunt:

Intelsat 10-02 1W, Elevatie 23 si SKEW 0.

Altfel spus, incepeti astfel, pentru o antena de 80cm:

Folosind o busola, gasiti sudul (pt ca suntem in Anglia, pozitia S de pe busola coincide cu 0 grade), si montati piciorul
(bracketul) antenei pe peretele ce vede Sudul. In cazul in care nu aveti un perete perpendicular pe linia N-S cu fata la
Sud, sau daca aveti vre-un copac mare in fata peretelui cu fata la Sud, atunci va recomand sincer un instalator, intrucat
decizia e mult mai dificil de explicat.

Fixati mai intii piciorul sau bracketul pe perete cat mai vertical posibil (folositi o nivela cu bula, aka stabila).

Daca peretele nu e perfect vertical, incercati sa ridicati piciorul la verticala (sau sa-l coborati la verticala) cu saibe.

Dupa asamblarea antenei (aveti grija la asamblare sa respectati sagetile si pozitiile, altfel veti avea elevatia pe dos),
inainte de a urca cu antena pe bracket, fixati elevatia la 25-28 grade. Nu strangeti suruburile decat pana antena nu mai
misca, intrucat o sa mai aveti de facut miscari sus-jos.

Dupa ce ati asezat LNBc-ul in locasul lui de pe bratul antenei, observati gradatiile de pe partea superioara a LNBc-ului si
aliniati 0 de pe LNBc cu gradatia mediana de pe suportul bratului antenei. Deasemeni, este posibil ca 'gatul' LNBc-ului sa
fie mai 'lung' decat suportul. Asezati LNBc-ul in suport la jumatate, dar nu strangeti suruburile de la suport de tot, intrucat
veti mai avea de facut reglaje si la pozitia lnbc-ului fata de antena (inainte-inapoi) si la rotirea acestuia (SKEW).

Dupa ce ati facut toate astea, urcati antena pe bracket, si strangeti temporar suruburile de pe spate, si de aici incepe
reglarea. Va recomand folosirea unui sat finder ieftin de 5-10 lire, conectat in intercalare direct cu receptorul, si incepeti
rotirea usoara stanga-dreapta cu usoare mishcari sus-jos pana sat finderul incepe sa piuie, sau sa urce ledurile, sau acul
sau ce o mai avea.

Asteptati pana receptorul face 'aknowledge' la semnal. In genere dureaza 10-15 secunde.

Va urma cu poze si desene si poate si un filmulet......

Mult succes
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by Diaz - 2010/07/10 15:48
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Salut!!

Cand mi-am montat antena pentru digi am folosit acest site: http://www.dishpointer.com/

Alegi satelitul si muti marker-ul la dresa ta, unde o sa-ti montezi antena. O sa fie mai usor sa sti cam in ce directie sa
orientezi antena. Eu am avut nevoie de mai putin de un minut sa prind semnal.:)

Si o intrebare off topic, ..... un tv lcd din uk functioneaza in Romania cu cablu normal (ex. RDS) sau este necesar antena
si acelasi principiu ca aici in UK. As vrea sa duc un TV acasa dar daca nu functioneaza sau nu receptioneaza canale cu
un cablu normal e mai greu..!!!
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by bosho13 - 2010/07/11 23:19
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am vazut ca ati dat o dimensiune pt. discul antenei de 80 cm , va rog spuneti-mi daca este obligatoriu sa respect aceasta
dimensiune sau pot pune si un disc mai mic , pt. ca sotia aduce numai cutia DIGI, si firele pe care le are in cutie , restul
as vrea sa- le iau de aici din UK, va multumesc.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by mikygpu - 2010/07/12 09:56
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Am pus dimensiunea de 80cm pt antena, pentru ca e dimensiunea optima, si aveti mai putine batai de cap cu 'prinderea'
semnalului.

Zilele trecute am facut teste si cu antene mai mici, si cea mai mica la care am avut un nivel de semnal satisfacator a fost
antena de sky zona 1 (approx 54cm), insa BER-ul era f mare, si la testul aparatului, anumite programe 'rupeau' imaginea
(facea patratele). Pe antena de sky zona2 merge destul de bine si stiu o gramada de instalatori care instaleaza astfel de
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antene.

Trebuie sa fiti atent si de unde cumparati antena, pentru ca o antena luata din targ (gen vauxhall), e dificil de schimbat, si
e si mai greu de 'identificat' fara meter de semnal daca are defecte de curbura, deviatie de brat, samd.

Ca recomandare, cumparati antena dintr-un magazin specializat de sateliti, cu posibilitatea de inlocuire in caz de
defectiune, cu garantie.

Poate sa va coste pana la 50 lire, insa aveti o garantie ca functioneaza, si nu incepeti sa aveti probleme inainte de a gasi
semnalul.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by mikygpu - 2010/07/12 10:04
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Diaz wrote:

Salut!!

Cand mi-am montat antena pentru digi am folosit acest site: http://www.dishpointer.com/

Alegi satelitul si muti marker-ul la dresa ta, unde o sa-ti montezi antena. O sa fie mai usor sa sti cam in ce directie sa
orientezi antena. Eu am avut nevoie de mai putin de un minut sa prind semnal.:)

Si o intrebare off topic, ..... un tv lcd din uk functioneaza in Romania cu cablu normal (ex. RDS) sau este necesar antena
si acelasi principiu ca aici in UK. As vrea sa duc un TV acasa dar daca nu functioneaza sau nu receptioneaza canale cu
un cablu normal e mai greu..!!!

Un TV LCD din UK ar trebui sa functioneze fara probleme in Ro fie pe sistemul cablu, fie pe alt sistem Analog/Digital.

Insa, inainte de cumparare, va sfatuiesc sa verificati daca in Setup Menu accepta si alte norme de sunet, in afara de I.
Sistemul UK este pe norma I, in timp ce Europa de Vest e pe DK, iar Europa de Est e pe BG. Asta se aplica numai la
sistemele analogice, sistemul digital (aka Freeview) are doar latime de banda pt channel, sunetul si imaginea fiind
separate cu PID-uri.

Deocamdata in Romania sistemele cablu digital sunt de tip IPTV (la DigiTV) si cablu digital cu boxa (la UPC), acestea
conectandu-se pe intrari video cum sunt Scart, HDMI, Composite, S-VHS sau Component.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by Diaz - 2010/07/13 16:51
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Salut!! Merci mult ptr raspunsul rapid!! Televizorul meu are si meniu in limba romana iar la setari la country pot selecta
Eastern Europe, ...cred ca o sa functioneze in Romania!! Am noroc ca este un Samsung care functioneaza si in Ro,
sper, un amic avut un Panasonic iar in tara a functionat doar prin satelit si nu prin cablu
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by bosho13 - 2010/07/18 21:18
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va salut din nou, am cumparat o antena de 60cm , un kit complet de instalare, as vrea sa o instalez singur dar dupa cum
ati spus dvs. ar trebui ca un perete al casei sa vada sudul, am un zid de vreo 3 metri lungime dar in fata lui la aproximativ
5 metri mai este o casa de aceeasi inaltime cu el dar are acoperisul mai inalt cu vreo 2 metrii si nu stiu daca este bine sa
o pun acolo sau nu, asta ca si pozitie, in ceea ce priveste montarea si reglarea ei era bine daca ati fi avut timp sa puneti
un film ceva sau poze esentiale cu reglarea, oricum va multumesc si astept un raspuns cu pozitia de care am scris mai
sus.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by mikygpu - 2010/07/19 10:07
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bosho13 wrote:

va salut din nou, am cumparat o antena de 60cm , un kit complet de instalare, as vrea sa o instalez singur dar dupa cum
ati spus dvs. ar trebui ca un perete al casei sa vada sudul, am un zid de vreo 3 metri lungime dar in fata lui la aproximativ
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5 metri mai este o casa de aceeasi inaltime cu el dar are acoperisul mai inalt cu vreo 2 metrii si nu stiu daca este bine sa
o pun acolo sau nu, asta ca si pozitie, in ceea ce priveste montarea si reglarea ei era bine daca ati fi avut timp sa puneti
un film ceva sau poze esentiale cu reglarea, oricum va multumesc si astept un raspuns cu pozitia de care am scris mai
sus.

Mai intii de toate: ce provider doriti sa vedeti? Digi, Dolce, Akta?

Apoi, ce adresa aveti? avand adresa dumneavoastra, pot sa-mi fac o idee despre locatie cu ajutorul lui Google Street
View.

Deocamdata nu am avut timp sa pun poze pentru ca intotdeauna e altceva de facut.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by bosho13 - 2010/07/20 16:46
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am montat antena(DIGI) acolo pe acel zid, am respectat tot ce ati spus dvs. mai sus, numai ca la scanare nu gaseste
nimic, am citit in carte de la Digi si acolo arata ceva poze cum sa reglezi din telecomanda cum sa caute saelitul si mai
multe, sunt sigur ca stiti despre ce vb. asa ca in acele poze imi arata undeva nivel si calitate undeva aproape de 100%,
iar la mine pe tv. imi arata doar 10%, ce sa fac sa pot ridica aceste valori, sa misc lnb-ul, sau antena am incercat dar
degeaba, in rst cred ca am montato bine. In ce priveste adresa mea , stau in Kidderminster dar asta o sa va ajute mult
mai mult post code

DY10 1SN, va multumesc si astept ceva indrumari. Daca puteti sa-mi lasati un nr. de mobil pe privat ar fi ideal, inca o
data Multumesc pt. tot.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by mikygpu - 2010/07/22 00:39
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bosho13 wrote:

am montat antena(DIGI) acolo pe acel zid, am respectat tot ce ati spus dvs. mai sus, numai ca la scanare nu gaseste
nimic, am citit in carte de la Digi si acolo arata ceva poze cum sa reglezi din telecomanda cum sa caute saelitul si mai
multe, sunt sigur ca stiti despre ce vb. asa ca in acele poze imi arata undeva nivel si calitate undeva aproape de 100%,
iar la mine pe tv. imi arata doar 10%, ce sa fac sa pot ridica aceste valori, sa misc lnb-ul, sau antena am incercat dar
degeaba, in rst cred ca am montato bine. In ce priveste adresa mea , stau in Kidderminster dar asta o sa va ajute mult
mai mult post code

DY10 1SN, va multumesc si astept ceva indrumari. Daca puteti sa-mi lasati un nr. de mobil pe privat ar fi ideal, inca o
data Multumesc pt. tot.

Doar postcode-ul nu ma ajuta foarte mult, mi-ar fi trebuit si umarul la casa si strada ca sa pot sa-mi dau seama exact de
perete daca e sud sau nord. Insa ca si idee m-am uitat putin pe google maps:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

Daca priviti antenele de sky, acele mici si negre facute din plasa, vedeti ca toate sunt pe un perete, orientate in aceeasi
directie. PE ACELASI PERETE CU O ASTFEL DE ANTENA TREBUIE SA MONTATI ANTENA PT DIGI.

Intotdeauna antena este privita din spate, si cu o astfel de privire din spate, orientati-o approx 30 GRADE MAI LA
DREAPTA FATA DE DIRECTIA UNDE E ORIENTATA ANTENA DE SKY.

Daca respectati cele scrise de mine mai sus, si anume elevatie 23, folosirea unei busole, etc, va veti afla foarte putin
departe de satelitul cautat. Problema cu alinierea antenei fara un citittor de caldura, sau sat finder, sau ceva care sa va
dea un raspuns in timp real al nivelului de semnal pe antena, va va fi foarte greu sa gasiti satelitul. Vedeti la un shop
local de sateliti, maplin, chiar si B&Q si mai mult de 10-15 lire nu cred ca face un astfel de dispozitiv.

http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl=en&q=sat+finder&um=1&ie=UTF-
8&ei=x4RHTKSfJ5T20gSm0pHCBA&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=image&resnum=3&ved=0CDoQzAMwAg

Inca nu am avut timpul necesat sa postez poze si schite cum sa facem alinierea singuri, si ma straduiesc sa o fac cat de
curand posibil. Insa, cum timpul nu prea ajunge mai niciodata, va trebui sa aveti rabdare.

cu respect
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by bosho13 - 2010/07/22 12:13
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adresa exacta este Kidderminster lea street 92a, in ceea ce priveste elevatia tot am incercat s-o pun la 23 grade asa
cum spuneti dvs. dar nu am nici o gradatie pe antena in afara de cea de la LNB, si apropo am cmumparta acel kit de
care vorbe-ati dvs. de la Screwfix are dish-ul de 60cm., si tot ce cuprinde satfinder, cablu, etc. , am gasit ieri un satelit
dar nu era cel care-mi rebuie mie am sunat la cineva de pe forum care monteaza antene ( Ionut parca) si mi-a spus ca
nu este cel care-mi trebuie mie ca este( Hotbrok sau asa ceva n-am retinut bine, oricum ceva cu H) si ca intelsat 1002
este mai la dreapta vreo 13 grade , oricum va multumesc pt. informatii si sper sa o rezolv pana la urma singur, deoarece
nu prea am pe cine sa chem aici unde stau eu, poate prin Birmingham sa gasesc ceva dar nu stiu sigur.
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by mikygpu - 2010/07/23 18:26
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bosho13 wrote:

adresa exacta este Kidderminster lea street 92a, in ceea ce priveste elevatia tot am incercat s-o pun la 23 grade asa
cum spuneti dvs. dar nu am nici o gradatie pe antena in afara de cea de la LNB, si apropo am cmumparta acel kit de
care vorbe-ati dvs. de la Screwfix are dish-ul de 60cm., si tot ce cuprinde satfinder, cablu, etc. , am gasit ieri un satelit
dar nu era cel care-mi rebuie mie am sunat la cineva de pe forum care monteaza antene ( Ionut parca) si mi-a spus ca
nu este cel care-mi trebuie mie ca este( Hotbrok sau asa ceva n-am retinut bine, oricum ceva cu H) si ca intelsat 1002
este mai la dreapta vreo 13 grade , oricum va multumesc pt. informatii si sper sa o rezolv pana la urma singur, deoarece
nu prea am pe cine sa chem aici unde stau eu, poate prin Birmingham sa gasesc ceva dar nu stiu sigur.

Elevatia este trecuta pe spatele antenei intr-o forma de sfert de cerc, pe lateralul tablei de prindere.

practic, uitati-va pe lateralele sistemului de prindere al antenei pe braket (aceasta se numeste montura antenei) si acolo
trebuie sa fie ceva ca o mica sageata si ceva numere dispuse intr-un arc de cerc. faceti cateva poze la montura antenei
pe toate partile si trimitetile la mgungurean@googlemail.com

De sunat, m-ati sunat pe mine, si satelitul gasit este Hotbird 13 Est. pentru mai multe informatii despre sateliti si
programele lor, mergeti la www.lyngsat.com sau www.kingofsat.net, acesta din urma are si Channel Search (undeva in
dreapta sus al paginii) si va puteti da seama f usor pe ce satelit va aflati.

daca nu, trimiteti-mi email-uri si va voi raspunde cat de bine voi putea.

Poate weekendul acesta voi face si pozele si schitele.

Inca ceva. Dupa cum arata pe google streeview, antena de digi trebuie sa fie pe spatele casei, aproape un sfert de cerc
de perete. altfel spus, la ora 2:30 dupa modul militar de orientare, considerand axa perpendiculara pe perete ca fiind ora
12, paralela peretului ora 3. Poate chiar la ora 2:00.

cu respect
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Re:Cum sa ne instalam singuri antena satelit
Posted by bosho13 - 2010/07/24 23:44
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am reusit , am gasit satelitul si acum vad super toate canalele de la digi, VA MULTUMESC pt ajutor , si daca ne-ma gasii
vreodata sunt dator de cinste, nu-l gaseam deoarece faceam cateva greseli majore dupa cum am vazut, mai ales dupa
ce am gasit Hotbird-ul, adica aveam satfinderul pus lanna receiver in casa, dupa asta trebuia sa sterg tot ce scanasem
pe Hotbird , dupa ce am facut aceste doua lucruri exact acolo unde-l cautam , acolo l-am gasit exact cum ati spus dvs. la
13-14 grade spre dreapta, l-am gasit in mai putin de 1 minut , oricum inca o data MULTUMESC MULT si raman
dator........
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